Tank driver here what a joke, You already get an extra life.

Teamwork, yea iv'e played team work... but how many AV players do you need to take out a tank?

Thats where tanks, always are.

I cant agree with this tanks donGÇÖt need another nerf and the missile are our only ranged AI weapon the blaster is to UP to deal with short range AI and the rail is useless beyond all doubt, if you take away the only tool let to us why should anyone even use tanks when their so inefficient.

Neither missile nor tanks need a nerf, missiles are fine and tanks are suffering from their last nerf, what they need is a change in mechanics. They should require team work to use not be one mans tool to dominate if they separate the main gun and the driver and make finite ammo tanks would require a more team effort to use just like they require a team effort to take out.

Tanks, missiles, dropships, Idc...they are one in the same.... I support the OP. This game has become more about vehicles and less shooter.

I won't say remove tanks but infantry needs a reliable counter to them. Tanks have shield extenders, shield boosters, shield resistance.....I mean, jeez, wtf do they need all of those for? Not to mention, their turrets have 20% damage modules that you can buy plus whatever level you skilled them up to. Infantry's AV grenades don't have damage skills..neither do the swarms.

That's why we need infantry only maps or objectives on the maps inaccessible to vehicles or something.

And anyone that says vehicles needs to be in ambush is a joke.

CCP has always favored shields in Eve, I doubt they change their ways in Dust

I'm still amazed that people think they should even be able to kill a proto tank solo. The thought appauls me quite frankly.

The investment for any tank driver worth his salt is massive, where as the investment into Forge's and Swarms to get them up to max is pitiful. It's a complete and utter joke frankly. As it stands one guy with a forge can take a tank out IN ONE CLIP!.

Those who say "Use teamwork" are onto something for sure, now they get one shotted instead of 3 shotted by one guy...

People whined last build when tanks ACTUALLY required teamwork, now they're just massive piles of crap that people sit in the redline with because ONE guy can now kill or make a tank hide there. The problem wasn't the tanks then, it was their quantity. People cried nerf and got what they wanted rendering millions of SP useless to the tank guys just so the "gun game" scrubs could go back to using broken AR's...

Honestly this game and it's player base are really starting to **** me off tbh. The same un-informed whines by all the idiots who want to solo this game, yet aren't willing to spec into a dedicated counter. Will you all just **** off back to CoD and BF please?

The game at it's basic is a FPS not a vehicle game, Am i right?

This is what's really the problem.

If you have a full squad of people using standard swarms,you aren't going to be able to take out a tank with good shield reps.

So taking that into account,1/4 of your whole team is basically sitting ducks with swarm launchers,while the enemy just sweeps in on foot to take those guys out.

I think that the vehicle combat really doesn't work either with smaller team sizes.It takes away too much of a percentage of your team to actually kill tanks and dropships.

This Englishsnake.

Fit your Sagaris with Militia Blaster Turrets and nothing else.

Then charge straight ahead and hope for the best.

They should be happy with that.

Someone give me a argument, Why tank should say as they are?

Seriously can ppl stop going on about vehicles having ammo when we the drivers have no ******* way to get rid of blue dots gunners who waste ammo and spam it everywhere like its bonfire night

If anything tank has cargohold driver buy ammo and bingo, plus you can add another skill linked to cargo so you can increase your cargoholds size


Anyone remember how tanks used to be a while ago?

They used to be feared, groups of AV had to use a long forgot trick called TEAMWORK and that was even for the basic gunlogis and mauraders but it could be done

Tank drivers then had more options turret wise, we only had passive resist mods but they were good enough to use, AV aswell was pretty good it required them to at least skill up to a decent level and be more organized than now and shield and armor tanks were equal so noone had an advantage

They were the good ole days


Now its all changed, circumstance has made shield tank king and missiles the only turret left tbh

Take Mavado he does drive a armor tank maurader i think, 2 missiles and a large railgun and i ran into him on the 4pt map, 1st time i saw him i basically hit him long range and it popped, 2nd time was in CQ and his railgun was too slow to turn tbh and it got popped easily again, i say easily because armor is weak against missiles but also he only has passive resist mods and a slow turning main turret while i have active resist mods and use missiles upto a pretty decent level atm, im not saying Mav is a bad tank driver but the difference between armor and shield tanks is like the size of the gap between the earth and the moon atm

Now Mav got a few hits with his railgun from long range on my tank and it hurt tbh like it should but i also had enemy forge guns hiding around the map taking potshots and they were doing equal if not more damage than Mavs large railgun which tbh shouldnt happen, large railgun > small railgun or it should be, forge should be inbetween the 2 if anything

If it wasnt for the few random enemy forge guns (sometimes it was that 1 forge gunner tbh and 2 OB strikes didnt help either) around the map i would have gone after Mavs tank alot more but because i was losing at least 1k shield per hit i really couldnt risk it and go for it because i could have easily been in half shield and used my mods up by the time i found his tank, i may still have won but i was in a weaker position where his railgun would hurt and missiles would easily finish the tank off

Essentially you do not see tanks vs tanks anymore, its always decided by the randoms on each others team, so for example if the enemy have more AV in general even if its milita its still gonna **** with my tank, you may say or why dont sniper kill them but they are blue dots who fail and you may say its an example of teamwork but its not because they are firing basic AV from the otherside of the map which will bend around my cover, is it really teamwork if you see 6ppl with basic and milita swarms firing from the otherside of the map? no its a consequence of the tank redlining them and the enemy trying to use what AV they have but the problem is even if one is using a basic SL and consistantly hits me its enough for me to cycle a few resists and boosters when really the tank should be able to tank that damage more effectively because its low level AV with less than 50k SP put into it, aswell as the SL being broke so they will continue to spam it because they know it will bend around cover and hit me

A couple of builds ago you saw teamwork on that 4pt map against tanks, proper 4man squads specced into decent level AV working together to lure tanks into a trap, and sometimes the tanks escpaed because they were strong enough to tank some damage and then gtfo. Now if you did that today they would get popped easily and barely be able to tank any damage whatsoever


Before tanks or AV can be changed the basics have to be sorted out, all HAV turrets move at the same rate and have armor active resist mods at least, AV SL remove that extra damage buff to armor and fix the tracking so they do not go around cover to hit that HAV, damage mods for tank have the same damage modifier bonus for all turrets, give a reload function to missiles on par with the other turrets small and large

How would the game play out when the enemy hide on that hill and spam SL at the tank but all it does is hit the hill the tank is behind and it doesnt fly around it and cause damage? it would force the SL users to actually move out and try to co-ordinate an attack and not just sit up on a hill, the tank users would feel more confindent about being more aggressive and not getting whacked anymore when they use cover, armor tanks would finally be used and so would the different turrets so we can see what happens against shield and railgun vs armor and blaster or what ever combinations ppl come up with

If the basics are fixed then we can see how tanks are balanced against each other and also against AV and we should see more variation at least but still expect QQ threads because an AR cant kill a tank (yet)


This thread is a shitstorm anyway but we at least need the basics to be fixed on both sides before anymore can be done or ****** up

TBH if i see a blaster tank i lol if im in my railtank

Distance is my friend and i can whack you before you even cover half the distance to reach me

Only way blasters are good is if you manage to get the jump on them and suprise them and its even better if you catch them on ther blind side or the back, problem is most railgun users are in a position where this is not possible and they will see you well before you see them